Whats so sensitive about it? A trigger happy cop with witnesses.I guarantee if that was a Jqp they woudn't be sensitive.

Yet another arrogant public servant who thinks who thinks they can do what ever they want.

Alfresco- you're right. If that was a ordinary citizen, every detail about the charges would have been made public also, the person would be sitting in jail waiting for their court date.

Finally. Something.

yay for loomisresident! I know this was gnawing at him.

No law enforcement officer is permitted to make comments in an ongoing investigation regardless of who the suspect is. If Lt. Savage had worked for any other employer, there would not be an internal personnel investigation, (a double whammy for him). Alos, Lt. Ausnow specifically stated, "the personnel investigation, BY LAW, restricts us from making further comments." Relax folks, you will get the truth.

Why isn't there a mug shot of this guy? If it was any ordinary citizen, there would be a face to go with the name. Was this guy even booked and questioned like any other suspected criminal? I hope the sheriff is aware of what is going on and assures the public that this type of conduct will not be tolerated. It sounds like this guy had no regards for the nearby homes and families. I am glad no kids or innocent bystanders were injured (that we know of), since this happened several months ago and the public is just now hearing about it. I hope the district attorney follows the law and prosecutes this guy to the fullest extent. He should not be treated any differently and realize that there are consequences to his actions.

Shame on you!!!!!!!

hereiswhatIhavetosay: There will be a mug shot shortly...the AJ had better publish it when it becomes available...now that charges have been filed, his arrest is imminent...followed by a mug shot. He might not see orange garb yet as he will bail out...then the judicial process begins.

Maybe he was tired of listening to the PCSO helicopter circling around at night wasting money, looking for $omething to do........

Analyst, If he was a private employee, he probably would be fired.

I already had a rant about this with a story I published sooner then the AJ..such a double standard, and he should have been terminated and arrested, ..but Im sure the Union is backing him up....what a waste of taxpayer money..

I don't think you'll be seeing a mug shot anytime soon. It seems that many of you enjoy speculating when you don't know the laws. For one thing, he was never arrested after the incident. Police took a report on the shooting and then the investigation went on for many months. This would also explain why he was allowed to keep working. You can't fire or suspend someone if there are no charges.

Next, the DA made a decision to file against him and he was given an arraignment date of April 20. Since the charge is a misdemeanor and as long as Mr. Savage makes his appearances in court, he won't be hustled off to jail and you won't be seeing any booking photos. Now, if this had been a felony charge, he would have needed to be arrested and you would have been able to see a mug shot. Also, if he ends up getting convicted, either by jury or by a plea, he'll be booked into jail and the press will publish his mug shot. Also, for those of you wanting a long, long sentence behind bars for him, you're out of luck. Since this is a misdemeanor charge, the most he can get would be a year in jail.

madhatter: A year will do...or even several months....he definitely needs a taste anyway....

See, madhatter...that's what it's all about, getting punished for a crime. You seem to think a slap on the wrist will suffice...well, THAT won't happen. Too many inintended consequences could have occurred as a result of his actions...kinda like drunk driving.

Steelybob- agreed. Although i prefer a year, a few months would be cool.

Auburnite, so he hasn't been convicted of anything but you still want him fired? Is that correct?

Whether private or public employee this would have resulted in paid administrative leave while the investigation takes place. No doubt the DA chose the misdemeanor rather than a felony in deference to the fact that he is a Lieutenant in the Placer Sheriff's Office, no doubt that the lack of any semblance of internal investigation has been started is also due to the fact that he is a Lieutenant in said department.

My prediction. If convicted we will maybe see a retirement notice somewhere. This guy will not receive nowhere near the punishment that any of us JQP would. Rd Bonner and Co. take good care of their management team.

Placer County, a dirty little place nestled in the beautiful Sierra foothills.

Jayber, yes, I get very upset when I see the dirt that comes out of Dewitt and the Domes by our elected and appointed officials. It's time that law abiding taxpayers took this County back from the garbage that runs it. And yes, this guy is still running around with a badge on his chest an a gun on his belt.

And yes Harleyrider he should have been terminated on the spot...no matter if he was arrested or not, his behavior is not of a police officer or any public servant. ...

Wow,Loomis pulls no punches.You have some brass ones my friend.

You may just have to move to Nevada County after that one.Yikes.

My how some can sit and salavate over the potential demise of someones life.

I would venture to say that if he was just JQP this whole discussion would not be taking place.

Yup, he did a pretty stupid thing and either way it is going to cost him. Maybe not the blood letting that some here are calling for or would so glady like to see. Starting to remind me of the Roman Empire here, drag him into the arena and let the animals tear him apart, pass the pretzels and get me another beer while I watch.

Court of opinion is adjourned... he is guilty.

And no I am not condoning what he did. Just pointing out that some people behave like a pack of hungry starved animals.

chase2you. This case shows preferential treatment from the get go. First, he wasn't arrested by the Rocklin PD, something that they would have done with anyone else, they didn't even took his gun(s) away, something that again, is SOP in a case like this. Then unlike in the past when rank and file members of PCSO have been accused of crimes and placed on paid administrative leave this guy continues to perform his normal duties, he also drove a PCSO cruiser and had a gun on his hip. I don't want blood from anyone but if blood is deserved, then so be it, I didn't fire the shots, he did. I'm sure that if I had been the shooter that I would have been arrested on the spot, my gun(s) taken away, the investigation would not have been five months long, the charges would be a felony, not a misdemeanor, the story would have been i9n the front page of the AJ unlike this one that never made it at the time, my employer would have fired me or placed me on paid admin leave and an internal investigation would have been launched immediately, not five months later. The fact of the matter is that this guy fired the shots, there are eye witnesses to that fact. If anyone disagrees with my assertion that Lt. Savage did indeed receive and is still receiving preferential treatment please, prove me wrong. I don't have anything against the PCSO, I just hate the dirty place this County has become. Unfortunately the rank and file is not treated by the County Royalty like management is. Continued

alfresco, I just call them like I see them, I would not type here what I wouldn't say to someone's face. I don't believe that Ed Bonner is such a fool that he would allow retaliation and mo, I'm not moving anytime soon unless my wife agrees to move to our place in Idaho, then the sooner the better. Unfortunately, since she won't budge I'm stuck here in Placer County so as long as I'm here I will do what little I can to try to keep this dirty little county as clean as possible.

If they want to park a cruiser by my place I'll even get them a porta potty so they don't have to go far to relieve themselves.

Loomis,

Fair enough, as for taking so long for charges to be filed... well I think that should be placed right at the feet of who is responsible for the delay.... Rocklin P.D... The D.A. can't do anything without a complaint. So up to and until the complaint was filed the only action being possibly taken against him would have been the internal investigation by the Sheriff. Which that out come will probably be confidential.

I was trying to remember How many people died when we used to shoot our guns in the air on New Years Eve? Does anyone have any "stats" on the death rate from that practice. Come to think of it it was probably before we had shooting's and Murders day and night in the area.

loomisresident: Your last line is priceless.

watchit – YES! Many people every year are killed. I recall many times when people were hit by celebratory rounds fired into the air. One time the victim didn't know it was a bullet until he walked into the emergency room. Luckily for us the gun control laws, and the response of the police to those laws, have stopped US from killing many an innocent bystander which is what happens after the middle-east type’s fire their AK-47’s into the air.

For local answers try this page; someone shooting a gun in the air killed 14-year-old Shannon Smith in June1999. In New Orleans an elderly women was killed, five people were wounded. In Kansas City, Mo., a man was killed by a falling bullet from someone else’ s weapon, moments after he fired his own gun into the air. In Atlanta, a teen-ager was wounded. In Detroit an elderly woman was killed by a stray bullet on New Year’s Eve. http://askville.amazon.com/people-shot-firearms-air-celebrate-Years-stupid/AnswerViewer.do?requestId=32694375

For worldwide “stuck on stupid” stories read this; Shooting in the air: turning celebration into tragedy http://www.iansa.org/regions/aerial-gunfire.htm

If this officer is guilty, throw the book at him, because he should have known better.

auburnite, based on your prior posted prejudices, I'm sure you are salivating at a union member getting the "what for". Too bad for you that managers in the county are not union members. Otherwise your ecstasy would be complete. Don't let facts get in the way of your opinions.

Loomis, it didn't take them five months to LAUNCH the investigation, it took them five months to CONCLUDE the investigation. The article says they interviewed and re-interviewed, in my opinion in an attempt to be thorough. The article also says, "the case's sensitivity led to the lengthy investigation." The AJ knew about the case, maybe they were asked to hold the story until the conclusion of the investigation.

Lt Savage was criminaly charged, taken off the streets and has an arraignment date. What more do you want?

Actually, he would not have been arrested on the spot. Misd laws would prevent such an arrest absent someone signing a Citizens Arrest form. The Misd laws have exceptions for that...this is not one of those exceptions (don't like that....call your congressman and have him change the California Penal Code and Constitution). Don't like the lengthy time it took to conduct a thorough investigation, call Rocklin PD and the D/A....they investigated the case.

Once again, state laws regulate how internal investigations are handled. Firing him on the spot would have satisfied the knee jerk reaction impulse and looked better on the front headlines.....but would have resulted in a long term lawsuit (at your expense) that, had the criminal case not been filed, would have resulted in re-instatement. THAT would not make any of you happy. The constitution is still our regulating document after all these years....for all our sakes, I hope that doesn't change. The Lt will have an opportunity to challenge the case against him, like ALL JQP, including all you AJ bloggo heads. If he loses....he loses his career along with everything he might have placed in retirement. If he manages an acquittal or dismissal....the county won't be paying him gobs of back pay. Think it through, folks!!!

Oh, and the same people who cried about keeping people in jail for misdemeanor crimes are now calling for jail time. If he's convicted he needs to pay his due to society just like anyone else but those who post here about hi

getting the full year would be the first ones crying about anyone else who is not a cop getting a year for this.

Hey auburnite, so be should be fired on the spot based on an accusation huh? What about the false accusations of cops beating their arrestees. Some of the arrestees file false accusations all the time because they were pissed off about going to jail. Should they be fired too? Based on your logicit sounds like it.

...and loomisresident....I take offense to your frequent comment "Placer County, a dirty little place nestled in the beautiful Sierra foothills." This, along with your comments about arrest and seizing of guns is so incorrect as to suggest immense ignorance. Arrest on most misdemeanor cases, outside an officer's presence, only happens under certain exceptions and this particular law is not one of those exceptions. The Lt was treated as all JQP's would be and seizure of the firearms would, absent consent or court order, would be a violation of the 4th amendment of our constitution. Lost of federal case law on the matter, should you take the time to learn it. Google is a fantastic forum for that...log off your blog long enough to research some california laws of arrest, rules of evidence, search and seizure, and judicial language. Our local cops and D/A's apply these rules to every case, without exception.

I am quite content with our local police and deputies...they try hard with limited resources and a large area to cover. Most are hardworking, dedicated to protecting your constitutional rights and providing quality service that protects our communities. Ask some cops who have worked at other agencies across the state and they will tell you our local law enforcement and county employees are a cut above. If you think you living in a dirty little place...try some other places I have lived where you can't even get a cop to come to your home for a violent crime or theft.

....what would happen if all the cops just decided to quit. Had enough the hateful comments. Decided to go somewhere else and the residents of our local cities and county were forced to hire just anyone, like Loomisresident or Auburnite. Arresting everyone at the drop of a hat and seizing evidence in violation of the law. We would have to change the county name to Louisiana County and our local cities to "Parish's."

Loomisresident is right on the button when describing Placer County! If the journal can post a mug shot of some poor fool who gets caught stealing a lousy tip jar from Starbucks, then what gives when it comes to not posting the cop's mug? It does appear to suggest some form of preferential or disparate treatment is occurring which taints the whole process from the start and begs the question, "what is really going on inside those offices at Dewitt." I wonder what John Trumbo would say?

246.3 P.C. is a wobbler. JQP would have been arrested (under most circumstances). That the DA is deciding to charge it now as a misdemeanor is irrelevant. At the time of the incident, the witness statements provided PROBABLE CAUSE for an arrest (especially becuase there were more than one and they were independent of one another). The DA can then decide, once they receive the entire report, how to charge it up. Then, most importantly, let a jury decide who is more credible! Even the most ignorant of juries can figure out which witnesses have no motivation to lie. The suspect is usually the person most likely to lie....not always, just usually. No, he should not have been fired because, after all, he is innocent until proven guilty. BUT, since others have been placed on alternate assignment for lesser "alleged" offenses, it would have only been appropriate and FAIR that he be treated the same.

Take his gun.Give him one of those 3 wheel scooters and some chalk on a stick. Until he completes an anger management class. Then maybe he can get his gun back.

schrodscat, Let me say it again for your reading pleasure. Placer County, a dirty little place nestled in the beautiful Sierra foothills.

Why do I call it dirty. Let's see. The solar farm behind the Juvenile facility that was awarded on no bid to the company that employed Supervisor Uhler as vice President and that Supervisor Weigandt and family were major stockholders. Then said solar array escapes taxation until someone exposes the issue. Then we have Supervisor Rockholm taking a private jet at the taxpayer's expense, once again this had to be brought out to the light of day by taxpayers, supposedly Supervisor Rockholm repaid although he has not made the cancelled check available. Then comes the gift of a position that was unfilled for over two years to the wife of Supervisor Uhler, a position that paid $92,000.00 prior to the 5% merit raise she was just awarded.

This particular case (Lt. Savage) has been under wraps by the Sheriff Department by allowing him to remain on the job and without an internal investigation taking place. It should also be mentioned that taking five months to investigate a misdemeanor charge is somewhat excessive.

I am sorry , correction, I really don't care what you like or not, I am a taxpayer and I am free to form an opinion based on what I see happening in the County. Please show me where I said that I wasn't content with the performance of the PCSO officers, I am not content with the performance of PCSO. Continued

Schrodscat, your version assumes the agencies involved are playing it straight? I'm curious if anyone wanted to make a citizens arrest and somehow was discouraged from doing this? No immediate arrest, delay in report going to DA, and now a scaled down charge after DA sat on file. You really think a thorough investigation is the reason for this? Maybe the AG might want to review this one or the FBI?

continued- However, I am not satisfied with the way PCSO management has conducted itself in this case. Let me add since you seem to want to argue that I have no criminal record whatsoever, never had a problem with anyone on the PCSO or any other police force so I don't have a bone to pick. I have not called for anyone's head on a platter but I have been critical of the investigation, both by the Rocklin PD who in my opinion tried their best to get a brother off the hook and by PCSO not conducting their own internal investigation. The fact that Lt Savage continued to perform the duties of his position is something that truly amazes me. The other thing that I seriously doubt is that if J Q Public would have been the shooter that he would have been treated with the deference that Lt. Savage was afforded. When it comes to guns a peace officer should be more cognizant of the dangers than your average Joe on the street, being that there were eyewitnesses that in my opinion should have been sufficient to have the Lt. placed in a position in the office or someplace that carrying a gun was not a requirement.

Yes, I am very disappointed with Placer County and most of the elected and appointed officials at the top. Please do not lump me with auburnite unless you have a serious reading impairment. I have not even called for this person's firing just for the same treatment as any other person would have gotten. Is there a cover up in the Sheriff's Department? In my opinion, there is.

schrodescat, please tell me what you do for the County, what department you work for. I am retired from the private sector.

Have a nice everning

Analyst, what I said that it took PCSO to start their internal investigation, it took Tocklin five months to complete theirs. Now you must agree that five months is way longer than the investigation would have taken had John public would have been the perpetrator, it included multiple re- interviews, etc. At the time of the incident there had not been a decision as to where this is a misd or a felony. Personally I think discharge of a weapon in a dense housing environment such as a tract should be a felony, but hey, I'm just a taxpayer. I never called for his firing, please re read my posts one more time. I would have liked to see him reassigned then, not just now to a position that did not required to carry a gun. I'm not going to go into what caused the incident, what I do know is that a law enforcement officer should be very cognizat of the possible effect ou stray bullets.

Just for comparison, a Sacramento Police officer allegedly showed the revolver on his waistband during an argument during his off hours. He was immediately arrested and placed om paid administrative leave pending the outcome of the investigation. Now, this police officer, unlike Lt. Savage, did not unholster the gun, much less fired shots. They were both off duty at the time of the alledged incidents. Can you please explain to me the difference in treatment

loomisredisent

It could be worse. Read the Press Enterprise about what is going on in Riverside County and surrounding areas. Read the story about Police Chief Leach crashing a county car on the way home after spending the day at a strip club. He stated, "it is not a fetish of mine I did not go their to get laid, or have a lap dance, I just wanted drinks." One too many I guess because the accident report states he was unaware he had been in a collision. They tried to cover for him and yes he is retiring on medical disablity.

Loomis:

In the Sac. case you probably have a 'Victim' reporting directly to the Police and filing a complaint immediately.In which case the police would have to take a report and take action right away. In the LT. case it does not sould like they have a 'Victim' and though details are sketchy, it does not appear that any one citizen or JQP was clamoring for the LT. arrest that night.

The threat of force or brandishing of a weapon coupled with the present ability to use that force in a face to face situation with two people arguing is totally different than shooting a gun up in the air with no apparent intention of hurting someone, but none the less a stupid thing to do. So there is quite a bit of difference in these two instances.

So you would have two totally different actions/reactions by the various departments.

Kinda like a officer getting arrested for drunk driving off duty, vs. one getting arrested for drunk driving on duty, similar crimes but the circumstances demand a different course of action.

Did I miss something? Terminated on the spot? Apparently he was already convicted in a court of law. Even cops are entitled to due process. Loomis, How do you know there has been no substantive internal investigation? They are forbibben by law from commenting on a personnel matter. I guess we should jeteson the criminal and administrative process. Simply conduct a trial in the press and on the blogs and be done with it.

BLURBIRD quite a few years ago the Police chief in a small town in Santa Barbara County was arrested for tunning the town's brothel, but, I don't live in that town, Guadalupe.

The case you refer to happened this last week, the Chief has since resigned and like you say will submit his retirement papers, again, we don't live in that County..

makes sense, yes you missed somthing. Please show me where I said to terminate on the spot. You guys have a reading disability.

I am well aware that personel matters are not to be discussed, no argument there. Normally the LE office says that an internal investigation is ongoing. BTW, I DO know that there was no internal investigation until just now.

What's this, the blue line, or green in this case, coming to the defense of their buddy?

chase, although there is no clear victim and the usual sketchy reporting is even sketchier in this instance there were numerous calls to 911 about the shooting and two witnesses actually saw the Lt. discharging the weapon. Read the stories on this, all the neighbors were afraid of retaliation, even now.

People, I don't care what happens, I just want the royalty of Placer County treated like any of us would be treated. If this guy is acquitted, more power to him, if he is convicted, then he should suffer whatever punishment he has coming. But, let's not grab at straws just to defend one of yours.

Loomis. Curious, how do you know there was no internal review til now. By law the department can't comment on that.

So what was his excuse for firing in the air?

Harley, suffice to say that he was on the job all this time. Most of what is coming out of PCSO is a crock.

Hmm. Loomis, I'm trying to frame my question in a way you can understand. So are you saying because he's still been working that no internal review was being done in the meantime? How do you know that? What is your source? Where did you get that information? Are you making an assumption based on no facts at all? Are you jumping to conclusions?

harley, are you an interrogator? Maybe I have connections. Wouldn't you like to know. Are you just being the apologist again, your brothers are always right, whi does the public think we are. You are above the law. I think that noise you hear when you ride your harley is affecting your judgement. Oh, too bad you can't have the naked light bulb above my head in these blogs. Man, you're funny.

Why don't you pull strings and get the AJ to tat me out, then you can come park at the end of my driveway, I'll have a porta potti set up for you and your friends.

Serioesly now. Where did I write that Savage should be terminated? The only thing that I'm interested in is that the PCSO treats him like they would treat me. Shooting in the air is illegal, there were witnesses, he was never placed on administrative leave after the incident and quite frankly, someone that shoots a gun in a residential area for whatever reason other than self protection has a screw loose. The neighbors are still scared of him even though he no longer lives at the house.

Note to my law enforcement friends. When one of you does something stupid, tt casts a bad light on all of you. Your best approach when this happens is to make no comments and let the process work. Your comments make the situation worse. Let the Sheriff and the Chiefs and their public information officers handle the PR.

JonGreen - AMEN TO THAT!

It is a shame that people like to hide behind the anonymity of the anonymous blog to throw insults, and the people that say they wouldn't write anything on this comment page that they wouldn't say to some one's face! WOW! I wonder how many friends they have?

When someone responds with "You guys have a reading disability." how can they expect to be treated with anything but hostility and their opinion discarded?

The fact of the matter is; The only exercise some people get is jumping to conclusions, and many of our good citizens have forgotten the golden rule.

This board is not the correct forum for amateurs to conuct PR campaigns.

Loomis, it's possible the internal investigation is on going, pending the outcome of the criminal case. Makes sense to me.

gromek, I will say to your face what I say here. Notice that when I mentioned the reading disability it was because you guys, yes the green gang, was accusing me of wanting Savage fired on the spot, that is something that was said by someone else, not me. Harley also seems to disregard the times that I side with Law Enforcement which other than this case is always. By the way, I have a lot of friends, even some retired Law Enforcement guys. One of my kayaking friends is retired CHP and a hunting partner is retired LAPD motor cop.

Once again, where did I jump to conclusions, name each one, please. Jon gave you guys a very good advice and you and your friends should heed it.

I didn't do the stupid deed, Lt. Savage did, had it been me I would already be wearing the orange jumpsuit.

I could go on but there's no point, the deed was done, the investigation is over, he's been charged now we wait for the outcome. may the truth and justice prevail.

Have a great day. Come to one of our coffee meetings and we'll meet.

Loomis, I simply asked a question. You refused to answer. As a matter of fact, you became very angry and beligerent. I'm a bit concerned about your stability. As far as you siding with law enforcement I have seen you do that and never accused you of not doing that so it makes me think you might be angry and delusional. I never advocated a LE officer shooting off his gun or any other person doing so unless it's in self defense or sport in a safe manner. I simply asked where you got your info so I wouldn't dismiss it as the gibberish it apparently is. Take care.

I think Harleyrider, and the other members of the assumed "gang of green" as one writer ignoranty reffered to them, have an issue with is this: Many of the writers here make extremely strong statements of opinion based on their own prejudices as opposed to any knowledge of the facts what so ever. That is plain ignorance however you cut it. Lots of slanderous statements ate made here based on rumor, inuendo, and personal bias. The only winner is the Journal ad department.

Loomisresident - I said the only exercise "some people" get... Now if that is you so be it.

But to answer your question “where did I jump to conclusions, name each one" I will only respond to what I know.

You said; "Jon gave you guys a very good advice and you and your friends should heed it. "I don't know Jon, although if I did I would hope he could be a friend.

You said; "when I mentioned the reading disability it was because you guys, yes the green gang," What the heck is the green gang? The only comments I have made deals directly with the angry and insulting interrogative that I see here. Suggesting that is OK to insult people based upon your perceptions of their intellect and motives… well bless your heart.

Come to one of our coffee meetings?!?! I have no idea what you are talking about, and you are obviously jumping to the conclusion that I do. I must ask you, why would I want to attend a coffee meeting where such an attitude can be presented to my face? Free speech is a right, but we pay for our rights. The men that have fought and died for us to be free, they have paid the price. The lack of civility that I am trying to push against I guess that is part of the price of free speech, but I am trying to cut back on that cost, and I am asking you to do the same. Please.

Realist - I couldn't have said it better myself, and in fact I didn't

Yea, right. Under Owens, we'll be giving this guy a pass, you just watch and see. I'm just sick that we're stuck with Scott Owens for another 4 years. I've heard the Owens campaign camp dug up some dirt and threatened to smear the only running candidate. That caused him to pull out of the race. Such dirty, sinking politics in this County. As if Owens has a neat tidy little house of his own. Ha.

I am surprised Rocklin City Police investigated this. Usually police/sheriff tend to cover for one another. So this is probably the start of a 'family fued".

gromek, we meet infrequently, the meetings are very civil and we enjoy the company of many people with diverse opinions. Actually they are great. Usually greg sets them up and those that wish to attend go.

harley, I'm not mad, i don't have an anger mangement problem, I call it like I see them and obviously in this case we must agree to disagree, no big deal, i haven't called for anyone to be fired on the spot, I let the law take it's course and as long as it is consistent with how it would apply to anyone else, I'm fine with it. Gromeck, people other than Law Enforcement have fought and died for the right of free speech, US Army 1966- 1967, yep, did some fighting and even got shot at. You're welcome.

realist, please show me which of my posts, not anyone Else's have harsh statements. Yes, I did say that someone had a reading disability since I keep getting accused of saying something I did not say, it was said by another poster, I don't like being accused of saying things I didn't, no one does..

All, this is it for me. As I stated before, the investigation is complete, he has been charged and the law will deal with it.

Have a great day

Speedracer, Scot Tripplett did not have the support of the Sac DA, and could not raise any money for his campaign. There was no "dirt" that anyone dug up.

You all would probably be surprised at how many of the "gang of green" actually side with the jqp's on this one!!!

two_cents, When I referred to the gang of green it was not meant for the vast majority of Deputies out there, it was meant for those that chose to make excuses and defend the indefensible. I do agree with you, I have heard comments that were made and they were not kind. Incidents like this put a black eye on those that toil every day to keep JQP safe and they do a great job. I sure would not like to be lumped with a minority of folks that let their friendship or emotions get on the way of good sense.

Thank you for bringing it up and my apologies to anyone that this comment was not meant for.

Jon & Loomis: Don't bother with any further warnings as Harley, Realist, Gromek are all doing a "bang-up" job as PR reps for LE.

Let 'em dig the hole even deeper.

two_cents: You're right...the SMART ones do anyway....They realize it's in their best interest to preserve the integrity of their profession by condemning such irresponsible actions.

loomisresident - For me it USMC 1978 -1983. Dark days for the corps as far as I am concerned, but things turned around when they started drug testing. Your welcome!

You jumped to conclusions again. I wasn't talking about law enforcement, I was talking about all of the people upon whose shoulders we stand. All the fighting men, women and the civilians that fought the fight in the last 230 years.

Gang of green. I get it now, of course I just drove past a Placer Sherrif Deputy so I guess I'm slow.

I'm NOT surprised that the RPD didn't cover this guys butt, but I am a RPD fan. Maybe I haven't seen their dark side.

Is Savage close to his retirement date, maybe this explains reason case was pushed out?

steelybob, I mentioned that many people stressed strong opinions based on a limited knowledge of the facts. All of a sudden I'm a PR rep for LE? Where did you get that? I think maybe your prejudices are blinding you to the truth of what I said.